Coaches #19 & #20
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(2) Colorado Central coach #188 (former #20) on the Georgetown Loop High Bridge sometime between 1885 and 1890. (Ken Martin Collection) |
HISTORY
Coaches #19 and #20 were out-shopped by the Union Pacific in October 1884. They were the last cars built by the Union Pacific for the Colorado Central. When the Union Pacific renumbered in 1885, they became coaches #187 and #188, numbers they kept under the Union Pacific, Denver & Gulf reorganization.
When the Colorado & Southern took over in 1899, they became C&S coaches #166 and #167. And when the C&S renumbered in 1906, they became C&S #82 and #83. They were dismantled October 1929.
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(3) UPD&G coach #187 in nice fresh paint, probably about 1890. |
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(4) Colorado Central coach #187 or #188 at Stony Point on the DSP&P sometime around 1888/90. M.E. Chase photo at Digerness2-124/5, Kindig-399(u) and Ferrell/SoPk-175. |
PHOTOGRAPHS & PLANS
(Photos with Source and Page in blue are best to show car details.)
| # | DATE | PHOTOG. | LOCATION | SOURCE | PAGE | C | REMARKS |
| (1) | c.1885 | Unknown | Silver Plume | Ehernberger/UP | 39(l) | RK | CC coach #187 |
| Kindig | 252(u) | UC | |||||
| c. 1885 | Kilburn Bros. | High Bridge | Kindig | 215(d) | RR | CC coach #187 or #188 | |
| 1885 | Unknown | High Bridge | Kindig | 219 | FR | CC coach #187 or #188, third coach from left | |
| (2) | 1885/90 | Unknown | High Bridge | Ken Martin | KM | CC coach #188 | |
| (3) | no date | Unknown | Silver Plume | NA | CC coach #187 | ||
| (4) | 1888/90 | M.E. Chase | Stony Point | Digerness2 | 124/25 | CH | CC coach #187 or #188 |
| Ferrell/SoPk | 175 | MF | |||||
| Kindig | 399(u) | CH | |||||
| no date | C.H. Scott | Sherrod Siding | Poor | 221(u)(ME) | FR | C&S coach #166 or #167 | |
| Speas | 121 | EH |
We know of no plans for these cars.
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Car diagram for C&S coaches #82 and #83 updated through 1923. (Note that this is not a scale drawing.) Click pic for enlargement. |
SUMMARY
| CC No. | #19 | #20 | |
| 1885 U.P. No. | #187 | #188 | |
| 1891 UPD&G No. | #187 | #188 | |
| 1899 C&S No. | #166 | #167 | |
| 1906 C&S No. | #82 | #83 | |
| Car Type | Coach | ||
| Capacity | 1885 | 20 seats | |
| 1916 | 23 seats | ||
| Delivery Date | October 1884 | ||
| Acquired From | Union Pacific Railway | ||
| Cost | $5,413.48 ea. | ||
| Length Over Endsills | 1885 | 42'-0" | |
| 1916 | 41'-11" | ||
| Length Over Buffers (1916) | 49'-6" * | ||
| Truck Centers (1916) | 31'-11" | ||
| Wheel Size | 1885 | 30" | |
| 1916 | 26" | ||
| Truck Wheelbase (1916) | 5'-6" | ||
| Width (1916) | 8'-2" | ||
| Height of Body (1916) | 9'-7" | ||
| Body Above Rails (1916) | 35" | ||
| Weight | 1912 | 22 tons | |
| 1916 | 44,880 lbs. | 45,060 lbs. | |
| Platform Roof | Bull-nose | ||
| Heating | 1885 | Stoves | |
| 1916 | Searle heater | ||
| Lighting | Oil lamps | ||
| Interior Finish | Maple finish stained mahogany | ||
| Termination Date | October 1929 | ||
| Termination Method | Dismantled | ||
| * Must have had quite wide platforms! | |||
