Coaches #1 & #2 - Page 2
| CCRR |
U.P. 1885 |
UPD&G 1890 |
C&S 1899 |
C&S 1906 |
| #1 |
#182 |
#182 |
Scrapped |
Gone |
| #2 |
#183 |
#183 |
#140 |
Scrapped |
 |
(4)
Coach
#1 or #2 between Black Hawk and Central City, probably sometime in the
early 1880s. Charles Weitfle photo at
Kindig-61(d). |
HISTORY (Continued)
At the Union Pacific renumbering in 1885, coach #1 became #182 and coach #2
became #183. Both cars kept these numbers under the UPD&G.
Coach #182 was scrapped in January 1897, more than likely after being in a
wreck, as January seems an odd time to be scrapping cars in Colorado for fun and
profit.
 |
(5) Colorado Central Coach #182, close to the end (pardon the pun) on the
GSL&P. This
may not be the wreck that ended the life of #182, as the photo was
obviously not taken in January! Photo is at
Crossen/Switzerland-52.
Click pic to see enlargement of entire scene. |
Coach #2/#183 made it to the Colorado & Southern roster and became C&S #140.
It was reportedly scrapped in February of 1901, again more than likely after being in a
wreck, as February in Colorado is little better than January. However, it is
possible it was not actually scrapped until sometime after November of
that year. During that summer (1901), the Denver City Tramway Company had
incorporated the Denver & Northwestern Railway to build electrified lines
to various towns west of Denver. The C&S was not happy about this. When a
line to the coal mines at Leyden needed to cross the C&S tracks at Arvada,
the C&S parked four broad gauge cars directly in the path of the
interloper. Three of these were boxcars and the fourth was a flatcar with
an old coach body on it. Harry Buckwalter was present with his camera the
day the impasse was resolved, and snapped
a photo
that is now in the Western History Collection of the Denver Public
Library. Take a look at it. We think the coach body on the flatcar is that
of C&S n.g. #140. What do you think? [If this link doesn't work, go to
www.photoswest.org and do a
call number search for image CHS-B234.]
PHOTOGRAPHS & PLANS
(Photos with Source and Page in blue are
best to show car details.)
|
# |
DATE |
PHOTOG. |
LOCATION |
SOURCE |
PAGE |
C |
REMARKS |
| |
1873/4 |
Joseph Collier, or Perry & Bohm |
Forks Creek |
Digerness3 |
331 |
DD |
CC
coach #1 or #2 |
|
Hauck |
38 |
DP |
|
(1) |
c.1875 |
Charles Weitfle |
Clear Creek Canyon |
Beebe |
161(u) |
DP |
CC
coach #1 or #2 |
|
Digerness3 |
323 |
DD |
|
Hauck |
41 |
NM |
|
Poor |
56(ul)(ME) |
FR |
| |
1878 |
Charles Weitfle |
Central City |
Hauck |
69 |
CH |
CC coach #1 or #2 |
|
Poor |
71(ME)(l) |
DP |
| |
1878 Aug 17 |
Unknown |
Georgetown |
Digerness3 |
268 |
DD |
CC baggage #1 |
|
Hauck |
57(u) |
CH |
|
Poor |
14(d)(ME) |
RK |
|
Speas |
8 |
RR |
|
(3) |
1879/80 |
Charles Weitfle |
Mountain City |
Kindig |
62(u) |
DP |
CC
coach #1 or #2 |
|
Poor |
61(ME) |
DP |
| (4) |
n.d. |
Charles Weitfle |
Black Hawk - Central City |
Kindig |
61(d) |
FR |
CC coach #1 or #2 |
| |
1884 |
Lachlan McLean |
Guy Gulch siding |
Digerness3 |
368(d) |
DD |
CC coach-baggage #5 |
|
Kindig |
48 |
BB |
|
(2) |
1886 Aug 1 |
J.B. Sturtevant |
Horse Shoe Curve
on the GSL&P |
Kindig |
180 |
MP |
CC coach #182 or #183 |
|
Speas |
28(d) |
EH |
| (5) |
Aft 1885 |
A.A.
Paddock |
Below Sunset on the GSL&P |
Crossen/Switzerland |
52 |
|
CC coach #182,
end view |
| |
1890 |
J.B. Sturtevant |
Near Sunset on DB&W |
Kindig |
182 |
FR |
CC coach #182 or #183 |
| |
no date |
J.B. Sturtevant |
Sunset on DB&W |
Kindig |
178 |
MP |
CC coach #182 or #183 |
| |
early 1890s |
J.B. Sturtevant |
Crisman on the
DB&W |
Kindig |
348(u) |
MP |
CC coach #182 or #183 |
|
Poor |
88(u) |
MP |
We know of no published plans or drawings for CC coaches #1 or #2 and there is
no C&S diagram page for either because they didn’t survive long enough.
SUMMARY
| CC No. |
#1 |
#2 |
| 1885 U.P. No. |
#182 |
#183 |
| 1891 UPD&G No. |
#182 |
#183 |
| 1899 C&S No. |
Gone |
#140 |
| 1906 C&S No. |
Gone |
Gone |
| Car Type |
Coach |
| Capacity |
18 seats |
| Delivery Date |
Oct 1872 |
Jan 1873 |
| Acquired From |
Union Pacific Railway |
| Cost |
$3,300 |
$4,700 |
| Length Over Endsills |
35'-2" |
| Length Over Buffers |
Est. 42'-6" |
| Truck Centers |
Est. 25'-2" |
| Wheel Size |
24" (1885) / Est.
26" (1916) |
| Truck Wheelbase |
Est. 5'-0" |
| Width |
Est. 7'-7" to 7'-10" |
| Height of Body |
Est. 8'-11" to 9'-1" |
| Body Above Rails |
Est. 30" |
| Weight |
Est. 35,000 to 39,000
lbs. |
| Platform Roof |
Est. duckbill or broken
duckbill |
| Heating |
Stoves |
| Lighting |
Oil lamps |
| Interior Finish |
Est. ash finished oak |
| Termination Date |
Jan 1897 |
Feb 1901 |
| Termination Method |
Scrapped |
Scrapped |
|
Estimates are based on other coaches
that survived to 1916 and were included in the C&S passenger car diagrams. |
